Obama´s speeches or don´t letting the truth spoil your false fantasies

In his famous speech at Cairo university President Obama said among other naiveness things:

"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition."

Let us analyze that sentence.

Definition of tradition by the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

"An inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action or behaviour."

July 2010, Pakistan. Let us see how that inherited and established pattern applies today:

Recently more Christians are facing charges under the controversial blasphemy laws in Pakistan. Christian families in Lahore were forced to flee for their safety as thousands of Muslim protesters demanded death for Christians in Faisalabad who are alleged to have blasphemed against Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

Muslim mobs marched July 10-11 in Faisalabad City, in the province of Punjab, demanding the death penalty for two Christians, brothers Rashid Emmanuel, 32, an Evangelical pastor, and Sajid Emmanuel, a graduate business student of Daud Nagar, Faisalabad. They were arrested on July 2 on the charges of writing a pamphlet with blasphemous remarks about Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). They were detained at the Civil Lines Police Station Faisalabad.

Does that sound like a customary pattern of tolerance? Let us see what Mohamed, founder of Islam had to say to establish the beginning of that tradition of tolerance that Islam has according to barack Mohamed Obama:

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter" (Qur´an 5:33)

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Very tolerant, isn´t it?

Qur’an9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

And the list goes on and on proving the origings of that customary pattern of tolerance Islam has for Obama.

But let us go back to President Obama´s sentences during that amazing speech full of lies and wishful thinking adressed to the Cairo University students:

"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. We see it in the history of Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition."

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The second of these sentences says that Islam proved to be tolerant in Andalusia and Cordoba during the Inquisition. It is hard to say so many lies all together with such few words.

Obama claims himself as a historian sometimes, then how can he read this total fiction sentence without blushing?

During the Inquisition (it would be more appropriate to say in the time of...) Cordoba was no longer under Islam´s fist. It had been reconquest by Ferdinand the Third in 1236 and all the lives of the inhabitants respected.

Lie number 1:

The Inquisition was enforced in Spain in 1478. An Islam ruled Cordoba NEVER coexisted with the Inquisition in Spain.

By the way President Obama forgets the fact that muslims were INVASORS that our ancestors fought for 800 years.

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Lie number 2:

President Obama, the historian, forgets or does not know that Andalusia is the name of a region in Spain and in the times when we were INVADED by those "tolerant" muslims they named all Spain Al Andalus. The name of Andalusia comes from this name given to ALL Spain and Portugal so if Obama would have been more precise he would have used the term Al Andalus and not Andalusia.

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Lie number 3:

Muslims in Spain were by no means tolerant. Non muslims were forced to pay the "Jizya" and and other special taxes for non muslims. You can imagine how many christians converted to Islam to be exented from these taxes!! Bells were not allowed to toll, non muslims were forbidden in certain jobs, muslims were told not to greet non muslims, muslims applied a total separation and granted not muslims the worst jobs and a third class citizens status.

Averroes translated the work of Aristotle for Sultan Jusuf I. As he died, his successor, Jakub Al-Mansur issued a decree in 1195 proclaiming that Greek philosophy was banned, burned the books of Aristotle and Averroes's work. Averroes was whipped before the Cordoba Mosque (built after demolishing a church in that very same spot) and was sent to the exile.

Tolerant Islam in Al Andalus Mr. Obama? Bullshit! Seems like some Imman who wants to build a mosque in NYC ground zero with funds from "tolerant" Persian Gulf states, wrote your speech since it lacks any credibility and it is nothing but fairy tales and a bunch of malicious lies.

Now Obama has said that the US is at war with Al Qaeda and not with Islam. Whatever Mr. President but you should know that Islam was, is, and will be, at war with what the West represents.

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Ground Zero Mosque. Only muslims have got rights. Non muslims cannot complaint

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf the man promoting the building of the Ground Zero Mosque talks about serving the community, about love and understanding between faiths and about not politicizing religion and on the other hand he says that if the mosque is finally not built in the sorroundings of Ground Zero the muslim world will take this as an offence to Islam and the muslim world will understand that Islam is under attack.

Jolly good Mr. Rauf !! All your bollocks about that peace and understanding that you pretend us to believe that Islam fosters vanish the very moment you say that if you don´t get what you want then the muslim world will be very upset and see it as an offence and as an attack on Islam. Then you go on with that bullshit of yours saying that the mosque must be built on the grounds of national security being preserved. Yes we understand what you mean, if you don´t get what you want maybe the "bad guys" will do evil things, and of course no one wants these bad boys doing such things, don´t we Mr. Rauf?

Thank you Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf for acting like some kind of mafia godfather henchman that kindly warns us of what could happen if we do not do as we are being told!!

What will be next thing the West will have to do so as not to offend the peace and loving followers of Mohamed? why not a mosque in St. Peter´s Cathedral or why not teaching the Koran in all western schools?

Don´t we remember Palestinian children rejoicing at the terrorist attack on 9-11 and their parents cellebrating in the streets, I bet some of them were muslims...

Let´s imagine a bishop on Aljazeera television complaining about not being allowed to build a church in Mecca, shall we? Well only imagine it because it will never happen. The same people Mr. Rauf goes to visit in the Persian Gulf States that tell him how disappointed all muslims will be if a mosque is not built near the place where 4000 people died because some muslims in the name of Allah crashed two airplanes, they will by no means allow any church being built in Saudi Arabia and no bibles or new testaments being in their bookshops.

These people who argue and complaint about how bad Islam and muslims are treated do not EVER demonstrate to protest for the killing of priests in Turkey or the burning of bibles and churches accross the muslim Umma.

These people who ask for equal rights in the West for their religion followers do not allow other religions to proselytize in their countries. Morocco has recently expelled American Christians that were taking care of orphans. Morocco law as well as all other muslim countries legislation forbid to proselytize their nationals.

These Saudi king and princes build huge mosques all accross the Western countries and demand respect for their faith and in their country they beat Philippins servants that are caught praying or have a rosary or a bible. They do not allow to build churches or to worship and they claim for their rights abroad?

I think that Islam and muslims treat us as what they think we are (and I am afraid they are close to be right): idiots.

Muslims in all Western Europe are plundering the welfare state using the public free services such as medical care, education, integration income support, etc in a much larger scale than the rest of the population. They demand everything and collapse our services on and on and they complaint on everything here in Spain. Back in their country they kick anyone that they may think is preaching the Word of God (the Christian God, the merciful) to their citizens.

Do they claim for equal rights? It is a deal!! But they abuse the freedom we enjoy in the West to take advantage of our idiocy while they ban, forbid and prosecute christians, buddists or anyone that is not muslim.

In many muslim countries there are even specific taxes only for non muslims, in Egypt they burn Copt churches and in Indonesia they kill christians and I do not see those so called moderate muslims demonstrating against these muslim crimes.

Moderate muslims are just like UFOs, many people claim to have seen one or two but there are no actual evidences of their existence.

Now let us go back to that fictitious priest demanding in Aljazeera the building of a church in Mecca. Imagine this bishop that has come from a tour to different christian countries telling the interviewer "If this church cannot be built in Mecca the national security of muslim countries will be at risk". Odd isn´t it? What would the reaction from muslims be? Now imagine that that church is going to be built in the same spot where some fictitious christian fundamentalists blasted some bombs. Would muslim countries like the idea? Would they allow this church to be built for the sake of the freedom of cult that they of course don´t have?

If anyone can come up with an answer to those questions please leave a reply.

American flags are burnt in several muslim countries on a regular basis, it is almost a national sport in Iran and now there is a pastor in Florida who tells he will burn one or two Korans and that is a horrid sin and a matter of national security. I don´t like to burn books and I think the Koran is a good book for those who enjoy terror novels but it seems that here the only ones who have sensibility are muslims. I find ablation a much worse thing, I find stoning a much worse thing, I find burning churches and killing christians a much worse thing and yet in muslim countries those practices are usual.

In other words. Imagine dear reader that you like wine and I like beer and in my house wine is forbidden. I go to your house and I protest because you dont want to give me a fourth beer and another day you come over to my place and you ask me for some wine and I go nuts and tell you that that is an insult and that of course I will not give you wine and that you must respect my traditions.

It is as simple as that. Some reciprocity and some respect from the Islamic world is not only a need, it should be a MUST.

Some people here in Spain talk about something they call the Civilizacions Alliance, what I claim is an allience of civilized people to stop these abuses and lack of respect that us western people suffer in silence from the muslim world.

Mr. Rauf wants to name his mosque "The house of Cordoba" we shall have time to dedicate a post about why did he chose that name and what does Barack Obama have to do with that name as well.

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More about Islam and reciprocity

I live in Spain and I am christian. Now imagine that for some reason after talking to some Mullah here in my country I decide to convert to Islam.

Now imagine the Spanish Interior Ministry dictating the inmediate expelling of that mullah for proselytizing in Spain, no trial and no arrest just putting him on board a ship on his way to Morocco.

Yo can bet that the Moroccan authorities would be complaining and calling all Spaniards racist and intolerant.

Moroccan authorities expel christian missionaries (from the US, Spain, New Zealand, Holland, etc.) and any christian they suspect is proselytizing. No reaction from our Spanish government.

Imagine the US government forbidding the building of any mosque in America. What would the Saudis have to say?

Proselytism is forbidden in Morocco. Churches can´t exist in Saudi Arabia. Morocco actively support proselytism in Spain, Saudio Arabia funds the building of Mosques in the US.

Muslims men can marry non muslim women, muslims can build mosques in non muslim countries, muslims can proselytize in non muslim countries.

In reciprocity:

Non muslim men can´t marry muslim women (unless they convert), non muslims can´t build churches (sinagogues or any non muslim temple) in muslim countries, non muslims can´t proselytize in muslim countries.

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A mosque in NYC ground zero? Yes, but right after a cathedral is built in Mecca

Building or not a mosque in NYC ground zero it is an issue in the USA, but building a church near Kaaba in Mecca (Saudi Arabia) is far from being an issue, it is simply fiction!

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Imagine a country that wants to sell its good and services in the USA and in return they ban the imports of American products. Good business? Yes indeed, but not for the US!

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Now imagine that country arguing that the US is a free market and that everyone has the right to sell anything there under American laws. Sounds a bit hypocritical, doesnt it?

All muslims in Europe and in the Americas want to benefit from the freedom of cult and do take advantage of the fact that proselytism is allowed and defended in the Western world. Despite my opinion about Islam after having read the Koran a couple of times and after discussing with some muslim acquaintances about the fact that, among other things, according to the Koran saying that Jesus is God must be consider blasphemous and puts me in the black list together with the worst infidels and idolaters, building a mosque in NYC should be something relatively normal.

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I said "should be realatively normal" in a world were the reciproty principle applies. But according to Islam reciprocity is a word that it only applies to the punishment that must be applied to those leaving Islam (death) or to women that missbehave or to infidels that preach other religions.

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In the vast majority of muslim countries proselytism of any religion other than Islam is forbidden and actively prosecuted. Let us bring some examples of what goes on aout there:

From the web http://www.boiseweekly.com/

Solana Pyne, GlobalPost

RABAT, Morocco — For 10 years, foreign Christians ran an orphanage called Village of Hope on the slopes of Morocco’s Middle Atlas Mountains, taking in abandoned Moroccan children and raising them in their homes.

But it took just a few hours Monday evening for Moroccan authorities to dissolve those foster families. Police gathered the 16 foreign volunteers and their biological children in a conference room and told them they had to leave the country immediately. Across the parking lot, 33 Moroccan children learned they would stay behind.

“It will be burned in my memory forever,” said Chris Broadbent, a New Zealander who worked as an administrator at the orphanage. “These kids just screamed across the car park to their parents to ask them if it was true. It was just chaos and so distressing, so terrible. I’ve never seen or experienced anything like it.”

Broadbent said Moroccan authorities took over the Village of Hope facility on Monday, but it is not yet clear whether the children will stay there or be sent somewhere else.

Morocco’s Interior Ministry claims the group “exploited some families' poverty and targeted their minor children,” violating rules on guardianship and breaking Morocco’s laws against proselytizing to Muslims.

Foreign Christian leaders in Morocco say the deportations are part of a country-wide campaign that signals a tough new stance against foreign evangelists who had been tolerated here for years.

Broadbent said the staff never tried to convert anyone, and maintained the orphanage had followed the same policies since it opened a decade ago: The children learned the Quran in school, but were raised by Christian parents.

“We were we looking after them, because nobody else would,” Broadbent said. “For 10 years they have openly, knowingly allowed us to do that and they never said we were breaking the law.”

They are not the only foreign evangelists to suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the Moroccan government. A western diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said authorities placed several dozen or more on a list for deportation.

In addition to orphanage volunteers approximately 10 other foreign Christians accused of proselytizing were deported over the weekend from cities across the country, pastors and Christian aid groups said.

Those expelled come from the Netherlands, Britain, the Congo, New Zealand, South Africa, Brazil and the United States.

“We were disheartened and distressed to learn of the recent expulsion by the Moroccan Government of a number of foreigners, including numerous Americans, who had been legally residing in Morocco,” U.S. Ambassador Samuel Kaplan said in a statement. “While we expect all American citizens in Morocco to respect Moroccan law, we hope to see meaningful improvements in the application of due process in such cases.”

U.S. embassy officials declined to confirm who or how many people would be expelled but said the number is likely to rise. Pastors who have lived in Morocco for years say the sheer quantity of deportations is unprecedented in recent years.

“It’s like going to sleep and waking up and all of the sudden you’re in a different country,” said Jack Wald, who has spent 10 years as pastor of Rabat International Church, a protestant congregation in the capital. “This is a change in policy from the top of the government.”

“In my nine years in Morocco, never,” said Pastor Jean-Luc Blanc, authorized by the government to preach to foreigners at the Evangelical Church of Morocco. “Each year there are one or two expulsions like this, but never so many at one time.”

But Moroccan Communication Minister Khalid Naciri maintains that the expulsions are neither new, nor limited to Christian missionaries.

“The Moroccan government today deals harshly with whoever allows themselves to manipulate the religion of the people,” Naciri said. He cited government crackdowns on radical Islamist groups and expulsions of Shi’a Muslims proselytizing in this largely Sunni country.

Still, many in the expatriate Christian community here are wondering who’s next. Police have interviewed children at another older orphanage, also run by Christian evangelists, a few miles from The Village of Hope.

“They asked 'Do you know the Quran?' and they quoted the Quran to them,” said Jim Pitts, a native Virginian, has worked at the orphanage for 51 years.

Pitts says his staff members have come only to do charitable work and have never tried to convert anyone. But he’s still unsure what the authorities will do.

“I don’t know what’s going to happen with us,” he said. “We’ll see.”

This happens in Morocco a country that pretends to have an image of tolerance and appear as a moderate muslim country...I am a bit sick of those people that still believe, need or want to believe I gess, that there are such things as moderate and radical Islam.

There are muslims who follow Islam and there are others who don´ follow it, period.

Proselytizing is banned in all muslim countries, but proselytizing is a must for muslims according to Koran so as they understand it since Islam is the right choice preaching other religions must be forbidden. So in the minds of Mohamed followers it makes sense to "protect" muslims from the infidels and their "evil" teaching while they carry on spreading their "good news".

Interesting how a Moroccan man that has spent 50 years in the US sees the expelling of US missionaries:

Considering the boiling religious conflicts and how Moderate Islam has been put on the defensive by fatalistic and hateful extremists from the three Abrahamic faiths, Morocco’s action to remove the evangelists is appropriate. Sadly to say, while this action is entirely justifiable from a national security standpoint, it has prompted numerous negative reactions. The call for due process should not serve as an excuse to overlook the dangerous situation the evangelists put themselves in. On balance, the due process interests of the evangelists does not outweigh concerns for their personal safety and the national security interests of Morocco, indeed the global security interests of us all. Few would gain by Morocco’s failure to protect Christians against extremists, thereby ruining Morocco’s foundation as land of religious understanding and tolerance.

And he goes on further down saying:

The subject matter of a trial would have been whether the evangelists were proselytizing in contravention of Moroccan law. The parade of witnesses testifying in such a trial would serve only to enflame the already heated emotions of religious extremists at a time that calls for cool heads, not more fuel. Moreover, fueling religious confrontation is a likely outcome of such a trial. The very creed of evangelical Christianity is proselytizing, or converting others to their faith. The distorted views of Islam on the part of the evangelical leader Reverend Franklin Graham that have recently come to light are not an aberration, but rather reflect evangelical beliefs.

As a Moroccan and Moderate Moslem, I personally do not want to see the diplomatic and security cooperation attained between Morocco, the United States, and the countries in Europe and elsewhere from which the evangelists came to be damaged by a hasty reaction calling for due process while the evangelists are safe in their home countries. Nor do I want to see Morocco, my beloved country, suffer negative consequences, particularly when it has practiced religious tolerance long before such tolerance was popular.

The Moroccan authorities should be supported for their swift action as well as congratulated for their relentless, continuing protection of the tens of thousands of non-Moslems, Christians and Jews, living in Morocco, observing their faiths, and respecting Moroccan laws.

Mr. Motapha Chtaini spent almost 50 years living in the US with frequent return trips to Morocco. He taught Urban Studies and City Planning at the University level for 20 years and served as Washington Bureau Chief of the Moroccan News Agency ( Maghreb Arabe Presse) for 20 years.

What Mr Motapha is transmitting here is:

-He is a moderate moslem.

-Expelling evangelist from Morocco is a good decision

-These evangelist will be better in their home countries because they were at risk.

-Morocco is a tolerant regime towards Christians and Jews

-He reckons that Moroccan laws forbid proselytizing

Yeah!

Such a lovely person this Mr. Motapha! He knows what is best for these American citizens and for those children they were looking after! But of course Moroco is such a tolerant country as long as you dont dare to give any moslim a Bible. He should have added that these things would have never happened if these folks would have not gotten in trouble being missionaries.

I am sure Mr Motapha, like many other "moderate" muslims supports the building of the mosque in NYC ground zero regardless of what most Americans may think of it, all for the sake of tolerance and good will!

I am a bit fed up, honestly, when "moderate" muslims defend things such as:

a.- A muslim male can marry a non muslim female, whereas a non muslim male cannot marry a muslim woman. They argue that since men are stronger and somehow have a larger capacity to influence (those "poor helpless" females) than women it is fine that a muslim man marry a christian woman because she will never be able to change her husband´s faith nor the faith that their children (compulsory) have: Islam.

b.- The penalty for the conversion of a muslim person into another faith is simple: Death. No problem for those who convert to Islam, all are welcome. Now imagine that the Pope would say that death is what christians will face if they become muslims; all muslims would critizice him for that.

Let´s not allow these hypocrites fool us with their boring speech:

"Hey you infidels, watch out because if you do not help us moderate muslims the bad bad guys will take us over and you will be in trouble. Help us Western world, but dont expect reciprocity by any means!"

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Mr. Barack Mohamend Obama, please ask the Muslim world for respect, for TRUE respect, ask for reciprocity, true reciprocity and do not support the building of any mosque until churches, pagodas, sinagogues etc can be built in muslim countries. Show strength, the same strength we, unfortunately will never see in our down on her knees before Islam President Zapatero.

Meanwhile, please zero mosques in ground zero!

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